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Friday, May 25, 2007

Ken Ham's Petting Zoo Opens to Shut Minds

SECOND UPDATE: Greg in the comments asks what I'm afraid of.

I'm afraid of ending up like this. And praising God for it. Poor thing. He needs help!

I don't want to sound like a snob but I don't think these losers have anything to teach me - except how not to end up. And I'll betcha they're thrilled by the Creation Museum [sic]. Got it?

Be afraid; be very afraid.
UPDATED: Boy oh boy, what a proud day today is for America! Ken Ham's Creation Museum opens on Memorial Day - the one day when we should not be engaging in deliberate collective denial about our past.

Even the fucking Iranians don't believe this shit!

Just unbelieveable.

Ken Ham spent millions of dollars on this crap? It looks like Thomas Kincaid tried his hand at sculpture. The best part of it is Eve's hair. Yes, I'm sure that they had Breck Girls back then in the Middle East! (UPDATED: Notice that Adam and Eve are white. Still white. Well, at least they're not blonde. Sheesh.)

Yeah, I know just how he feels.

NICE GOIN', AMERICA! Visit that huckster Ken Ham's Museum of Creationist Bullshit and make sure to BRING THE KIDS!

It can be said that on this day the United States of America became a fourth-world nation. Be proud.

Well, despite what that nefarious Ken Ham claims about the past, we definitely co-exist with dinosaurs today. That’s indisputable.

If you thought it appropriate in a John Waters fashion that a Liberty University student was arrested for schlepping bombs (and that’s bombs, not bongs) to Jerry Falwell’s funeral, ostensibly to let all God’s little tweety birds sing their eulogies in the place of Fred Phelps, who was protesting Falwell’s death (what does Phelps want, Falwell alive again?) , take a gander at the museum built by dinosaurs for dinosaurs.

It’s opening in Kentucky, mind you. Kentucky, where apparently they don't believe that Adam had a penis (this according to a reporter from Esquire who visited this pile of rubbish). This is the house that Ham built.

If you thought that the collapse of a fat-assed former calypso playboy in his office while he waited for the Rapture was the height in hilarity, remember these song lyrics:

My friend says we're like the dinosaurs
Only we are doing ourselves in
Much faster than they
Ever did
We'll make great pets!
We'll make great pets!
We'll make great pets!
We'll make great pets!

Lapdogs for Jesus! That’s what these people want to be. That’s what this “museum” is about –domestication. They don’t want scientists telling us that evolution reveals our nobel, wild, free past, because this 10,000 year-old experiment in our self-domestication will not be complete until we’ve done in the entire planet, too.

So sit up and beg, just like the poor, burdened dinosaurs at the Creation Museum in Kentucky – Kentucky, that bastion of science education. Put on your saddle and run around with your tongue hanging out. Maybe the Master will give you a bone, or maybe He’ll kick you, but never show disloyalty, because whatever it is, it's always your fault. Even if He's not there at all (in which case, tag after the biggest dog in the pet store).

And don’t run with the wolves!

Or read my short story based upon Ken Ham's Creation Museum.

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Blogger Joshua said...

Well, to be fair to Ken Ham, dinosaurs and humans have been known to coexist.

May 25, 2007 2:25 PM  
Blogger Kristine said...

Yes, but it was jungle fever.

Not what Hammie had in mind. ;-)

May 25, 2007 2:41 PM  
Blogger vjack said...

Looks like we have yet another monument to American stupidity. It is getting harder and harder to blame our companies for wanting to outsource jobs to countries where science is valued.

May 26, 2007 7:48 AM  
Blogger Kristine said...

I don't blame them at all. BUT -

we have a golden opportunity here. The Creation Museum could become the next underground party/rave site after hours. You know, like how people in Paris charge foreigners money to party in forbidden parts of the catacombs after midnight?

We get the keys to the joint (I'll volunteer for that mission!), we escort the guests in, throw wild parties, then get them all out before dawn and make sure none of the paper-mache exhibits are damaged. Lots of money to be made here!

May 26, 2007 10:52 AM  
Blogger llewelly said...

That first photo - the one with the woman and the creepy guy (Jesus?) with erector-set legs - is quite disturbing.

May 28, 2007 1:07 PM  
Blogger Cat's Staff said...

The first photo is of Adam and Eve...the water in the exhibit is supposed to come up to their waist so the museum doesn't have to deal with the fig leaf issue.

Unfortunately Ken Ham is so paranoid about someone doing something to his Museum of Stupidity that part of the $27 million was spent on security guards with guns and attack dogs....

May 28, 2007 2:46 PM  
Blogger Cat's Staff said...

Why didn't I make that a link...

K-9 Training at Creation Museum News

May 28, 2007 2:48 PM  
Blogger Kristine said...

Look, I heard the mayor of this town say that a "lot of art was involved here" so I looked for some art here at least, okay?

I don't see any ART.

I see crappy paper mache, illustrating crackpot beliefs. And for the record, I have heard crappy atheist poetry and seen hideous "message" skits. I have good taste and I'm picky, and I know art.

This is not a science museum (obviously!), first off, but secondly, this is not art. Mozart, Bach, Michaelangelo, Da Vinci - that's art. Even my museum's exhibition of the St. John's Bible is art. This is just putrid. It screams "cheap." Anyone can see that.

Plus it's completely unscientific. Everyone should be able to see that, but we've lost our minds in this country.

It's for damn sure that Ecuador is not building a creation museum, for example!

May 28, 2007 8:05 PM  
Blogger Randy said...

Ecuador? Unthinkable! We must not allow a creation museum gap!

May 28, 2007 10:30 PM  
Blogger Kristine said...

Exactly! :-)

May 28, 2007 10:53 PM  
Blogger DiscoveredJoys said...

Look, its not really a museum... to do so implies some sort of acceptance of the place as an educational establishment. I'm sure Ken Ham is only too glad to slip this one past a credulous public.

Can we not start calling it the Creation Theme Park, or some other name that implies it is all based on fairy stories?

May 29, 2007 6:09 PM  
Blogger Cat's Staff said...

How about Creation Science Sideshow.

May 29, 2007 9:08 PM  
Blogger Kristine said...

Look, its not really a museum...

You're absolutely right, Discoveredjoys. I stand corrected.

Cat's Staff, I like your idea - I'll just amend that to "Creationist Sideshow." How's that?

May 29, 2007 9:19 PM  
Blogger Cat's Staff said...

I thought of that after I clicked publish... It gave it to much credibility to include the word science.

May 29, 2007 10:18 PM  
Blogger Kristine said...

Let's just call it snot. Creation snot.

It thinks it's science, but itsnot!

May 29, 2007 10:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a resident of Petersburg, KY (yes, THAT Petersburg) I can share with you our nickname for Ken's place - The Flat Earth Society.

Please don't generalize about us Kentuckians - I am ashamed that he muscled his way into building his carnival in my beautiful state.

May 31, 2007 3:18 PM  
Blogger Rev. Barky said...

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June 01, 2007 3:52 AM  
Blogger Rev. Barky said...

naw - it's a museum allright but the kind you see in

So, they are saying that human reason is flawed and that dinosaurs actually did exist?

I thought they said the bones were put in the ground by god and that faith is reason. There must be more than one version of the comic book out there. :]

June 01, 2007 3:52 AM

June 01, 2007 3:55 AM  
Blogger Greg said...

The questions presented by Ken Ham
and the idea of creation is seems to be a frightening thing?

It would appear that as the Bible
says "the fear of God is the begin-
ing of Wisdom" .

So I suspect there is a great deal
of misguided fear because of what?

Creation ! Come on folks aren't
there bigger causes and fish to fry
than this ?

After all we can do as we please
no matter good or bad and it's just
alright .
But then Mr.Ham is just allowing the world to see a biblical

I suppose just as the Bible as always been there in Hotel Rooms
with the unfaithful in a notel
motel it says "Holy Bible " .

It in fact may be just that?
All one has to do is read 2Tim3:16
about it's inspiriation.Heb 4:12
It's Power. And that Jesus will
come to judge the living and the
dead this is just Hogwash I'm sure?
Each to his own opinion .
Each to his own way .

I just hope that as you seem to
show little respect to Mr. Ham.
That you haven't made a grave
miscalculation and I give you all
the "Kudo's" for being more
insightful than Mr.Ham .
And more knowledgeable as well.

We need to be thankful for folks
like you ,for you give us something
to ponder about in our reduntant
lives looking for a purpose to live
for.I haven't quite figured it out
but I will .

You folks are a ray of shinning
light in the darkness.

Thank God you are here to steer us
on the right path.

This is what makes America great
this exchange of ideas.

June 15, 2007 9:12 AM  
Blogger Kristine said...

Come on, Greg. Saying that a deliberate phony like Ken Ham (and he knows he is, dear - don't believe for one second that he doesn't think everyone else is inferior to him) contributes anything to the discussion is like saying a fart contributes to music.

Lies are wrong. Even "nice" lies like creationism.

You think this garbage is the truth? Dinosaurs with saddles? Adam and Eve as white people? Okay, let me ask you this: why is the saddle an English show saddle, not meant for labor but for horse shows, why is Adam depicted as sans penis before the supposed Fall, and why is the "dig" diorama depicted so inaccurately, with the paleontologist using the wrong tools and exposing so much of the "dinosaur skeleton" before jacketing?

2 + 2 = 5 is a dangerous idea, even if you don't think so. Oh, and great job on your (not my) president's "war against evil" in Iraq. Fabulous mess the right-wing evangelicals have made of that one. Maybe you should send in Chuck Norris?

June 15, 2007 1:07 PM  
Blogger Greg said...

You are a very angry young person
and so I pose this question to you
Ken Ham as you are intiltled to
your opinion's .
With out searching for the truth
which I believe you are doing or
this willingness to make the
exchange you would not be willing
to read or post.
So to prove that your truth is
truth then you as a good student
which I believe you are ,you go
to the scource and prove it's
a false idea,false theroy, or
bad theology as that is a view of
God .
Kristine you have a theology
prove it that it is right and
perfect that it gives you peace
of mind peace of heart.
Ever heard of CS Lewis ?
Lee Strobel ? these are your
contemporaries Kristine .
As young as you are your going
to spend your life calling people
You can call Ken Ham and creation
wrong . But you as Ken and I have
one problem we are all made in the
Image of God .
These things you see we can't
change ,we were never meant to
be fish or reptiles .
But steward's of the earth .
And my complaint as your's is we
are fallen creatures because of
it's in our genes,our DNA ,and
it's just apart of us .
How must we deal with the sin

You would seem to be well
versed in science .

Why now that we can see a DNA
of a human and like CSI match
it too a sample found on clothing
and find we can find a person
to match a crime scene.
Yet not see that sin permiates
the DNA code ?

So you are more mad at a unchange
able circumstance then Ken Ham,
or even me .Isn't that true?
Or It's not fair ?

Prove your theroy because just
calling people names is nither
scholarly , nor is it up to
speed of your intellect or
quality of the work I believe
you can produce .

Short answers aren't good ones.
I am not hear to defend Ken Ham,
or the quality of the content of
the museum .

Or the quality of the content of
your blogg .

Did you grow up in a home were
your parents and you went to
Did something happen there to make
you mad ?
It's really not good to hammer on
people you really don't know .

You see in God's economy there is
no Republican or Democrat .
Greek ,Jew ,Gentile all are the
same in the Body of Christ .
By faith alone in Jesus Christ
alone .

There is no right wing which I
feel is a poor use of words for
those politcal pundant's because
it could be the right side of a
KFC chicken for all I care .

You just need to prove Ken Ham
wrong or me wrong ?
Or God being wrong .

Then you will have peace .

June 16, 2007 6:55 AM  
Blogger Kristine said...

Well, thank you for calling me "young." ;-) I'm up there, but still get carded.

Greg - of course I'm angry. But have you read more of my blog? Did you see this advice that I gave to a struggling young atheist? She's angry, too. So are you. So is Ken Ham. So is Duane Gish. So are the folks at World Net Daily.

So are PZ Myers and Richard Dawkins. So are William Dembski (whoo, boy, is he angry!) and DaveScot and Denyse O'Leary and all the rest. You know what? I think being angry is a part of being a vibrant, alive, sexy (or in the case of the teen-ager, developing) human being.

Can we just get that out of the way, first thing?

I don't want to have "peace" the way that people usually mean by that word. You didn't grow up with me. ;-) I don't know how many times someone asked me why I was so "cynical," why I couldn't just read "nice" books, why I scared myself watching horror films and filled my head full of "weird" ideas that were not appropriate for little girls. Well, that was the kind of little girl I was and that's the kind of woman I am. Yeah, I'm angry, a tornado, and probably conceited to boot. But I don't hate anyone (I'm not sure that I know what hate feels like) and I would walk through fire for you and anyone else if I had to.

But if you recognize that I'm well versed in science, then you should know that we cannot "prove" anything in science. That's not what science is. Proof is reserved for two things - mathematics, and alcohol. :-)

However, evidence is another question and there if no evidence for Ken Ham's version of "creation." None. Zip. If you want to ask me particulars, then ask them. For example, if you want to ask me what the fossil record says about any great worldwide flood, I'll be happy to tell you, but you can get these answers from better sources - Pharyngula, TalkOrigins, etc.

Ever heard of CS Lewis ?
Lee Strobel ?
Yes, and they're good at calling people names, too. Strobel especially.

Did you grow up in a home were
your parents and you went to
church.? Did something happen there to make you mad ? It's really not good to hammer on
people you really don't know .

No, it's not. I'm sorry if I jumped on you too much. And, thank you for asking. But have you looked at my other posts? Yes, I grew up in a devoutly Christian home. I'm not mad about that. What made me mad is the assumption that naturally I was going to be unquestioning of my inheritance of Christianity as others are unquestioning of the coincidence of being brought up to be Christian. Children should be taught comparative religion and about atheism and then allowed to make up their minds when they are adults. How can anyone believe something that they are taught to believe from day one to the exclusion of anything else?

My work necessitates that I treat all religions, present and past, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, the ancient Greek pantheon, Santeria, etc., as equally true. And in my way, I do.

Yes, I know that "in God there is no Republican or Democrat," etc. I know what you're trying to say and I embrace you for that. But to me, there is no "sinner and saint, saved and unsaved." There are only human being stumbling around in the dark. Some, like the scientists and the artists and poets (a pretty "angry" lot) have learned to light candles. Others, like Ken Ham, waste their creativity and their precious lives cursing the light.

Yet not see that sin permiates
the DNA code ?

No, I don't. I'll tell you what I think permeates the DNA code. Suffering, trial and error, chance, creativity, cruelty, fear, ignorance, hope, and courage. I see that we share a common ancestry with everything on earth and that we should not arrogantly place ourselves upon a throne at the expense of our animal, vegetable, and mineral cousins. I see that we are the largely ungrateful descendants of several noble species of hominids who did the hard work of evolving our consciousness for us. Everything that they were, and everything that they did, and every decision that they made, gave to us what we have today. But no, we would rather pretend that Homo sapiens sapiens were instantaneously and crassly manufactured, like a can of Pepsi! Because we have the nerve to be ashamed of our origins!

Ken Ham's "museum" is not science. But sir, if you want my personal opinion, Ham's museum is a cynical, angry, and irreverent blasphemy. It is the work of a deep and sick faithlessness in nature and in human beings.

And there you have it.

If evidence against evolution appeared tomorrow, I would be the first to hop on a new theory. That would be fun. But nothing will ever shake my faith, if you want to call it that, that human beings (as well as the rest of nature) are more marvelous and more interesting than any gods that we can dream up.

That kind of "anger" is called humanism. And I choose it over everything else.

June 16, 2007 1:44 PM  
Blogger Greg said...

Well amid the whoe's and sorrow in
the world were is HOPE ?
Were does true hope spring from ?

How does a humanist find hope ?

Were is your joy Kristine?

Is it in family,friends, and loved
one firendships of old.

16 years ago I was angry like you
because I was told by the Pastor of my church just to do good .

As in doing good to others .
"Not do unto others before they
do it to you " .

That was the mans montra ,I got
frustrated becuase I had no way
to gauge that I was doing good
or that itwas enough to please
God in this Christian Church.

In the midst of this struggle on
doing good I was in a accident
in a truck I drove .The damage
was somewhat minimal but my pride
was raging ,then I was in a IRS
tax audit for a year and a half
and I owed those fine people
$13,000.00 Of which I could not
pay between to two I was at the
end of myself.
I cried out to the Lord Jesus
Christ He became my Savior .
I know another man mad too at
God and Jesus the apostle Paul.
You'll find one agry young man
too had a change of heart.
See Acts chapter 9.

So I'm not condemming you or
judging you.

You see what you like to do is
scream too the world and say .

Leave me alone, you can be the
best critic agianst ceation,
Christianity too.
After all you grew up in church
but you got the data to prove it.
That Chrisanity is fake.
John 3:16 was a mis print and
was a lie.?

No one is stopping you from
speaking what's on your ,heart
or in your mind .

But agian having the exchange is
good I think you need too keep
venting your anger tell your
worn out.

And quit taking cheap shots at
people you disgree with.

June 17, 2007 4:13 PM  
Blogger Kristine said...

You know, I am tired of being honest and becoming a target of people like you who are being dishonest with me.

I'm sorry that you were in an accident but you have no right to judge me while saying that you're not judging me. (You are.) You don't know me and you have no right to tell me, I who just went on a life-changing voyage to the Galapagos and who just performed a dance at a friend's art gallery, that I have "no joy."

Fuck you. That's a laugh, considering that someone close to me just told me how much joy she sees in me. Why do you seek me out then? Probably the same reason that others like you do - they are bored with their mediocre existence and need something to jazz their own lives up, so they suck my joie de vivre like vampires while at the same time criticizing me for being alive as they aren't!

That's why I walked away from the fundamentalist Christian ex-boyfriend who subsequently stalked me for three years, eh? Because "I have no joy"? If you find no joy in the atheist belly dancer, go find a nun to talk to or someone else you think is more amusing than me. You bore me.

Read my comment above and address the points I raise, or get lost! I'm tired of the mind games that people like you play. I don't sound like a snob, but I don't and never did want to end up like the kind of people who talk as you do - about nothing, and who sit in front of the television thinking about God and letting life pass them by.

There are plenty other people in the world doing the banal bourgeoise thing and I don't have to be one of them.

Oh, and there's no evidence for Ken Ham's 6-day creation scenario, which he doesn't even believe in himself.

Just so you know.

June 17, 2007 8:11 PM  
Blogger Kristine said...

And I hate to break this to you, but apparently it was Adam and Steve instead of Adam and Eve!

June 17, 2007 11:03 PM  
Blogger Kristine said...

Behold, the Creation Museum on Flickr - garden gnome aesthetic at its worst.

June 18, 2007 10:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kristine, I am a Christian, you do not need to fear me. You are showing the most radical display of intolerance that I have ever seen. You talk about Christians like they are the worst thing on this planet. That proves that you know nothing of our lifestyles and convictions. I hope that you can know the peace that we enjoy. How you can call Mr. Ham and any of his associates closed minded is ridiculous. You and others do not understand we were once like you, but our open-minded approach to a God who desires an intimate relationship with us, his creation. To reach a relationship with God is about as far from humans desires as one can get and it would take the most open mind imaginable. I have been a Christian for about twenty-six years and have attended many churches across this land and in Europe; I have never encountered a Christian with a hate and intolerance towards your beliefs as you have for ours. Yes, I admit there are those who go way too far that do and say things considered by more normal thinking individuals as very radical, hateful, fearful, judgmental, and just not wanting to understand anything except what they believe. Please understand that you are one of those people that are afraid, mean, confused. Yes you may have a joyful spirit when you are out having a good time with friends. I believe that that is not your real face. I have seen your real face and it is not nice. I do not know everything about you. I can only respond to the Kristine I have met in your words here. I only ask you to open your mind to God, he will open his heart to you. His heart is more comforting, tolerant, and loving than any you have ever encountered.

January 05, 2008 10:45 AM  
Blogger Kristine said...

I am attacking pseudoscience in this post, Rene – not Christianity. Unless you, like others, wish to define Christianity as pseudoscience?

You make a mistake when you do that. At any rate, since you have an open mind, read what I wrote yesterday at Pharyngula regarding “What Have You Changed Your Mind About”?

“I occasionally slip back into Lamarckism - which seems a common occurrence even in those who know better.

But as far as really changing my mind, I would say that I am more accepting - much, much more accepting now - of scientists who are religious believers because I have been exposed to them, and have observed for myself that their facts are correct and their methods sound.

I don't know how they reconcile their beliefs with their work, but as long as they do good work, I accept that they can and they do.

I accept that they apparently do, because they don't pull these creationist tricks on me, or try to use the fine-tuning argument or the argument from design to try to convince me that science proves God in order to make me someone that I'm not.

I am no longer suspicious of them, because they don't insult my intelligence; nor do they condescend to me by employing cherry-picking and other invalid arguments as if I weren't an educated woman of dignity who sees right through those stunts. No, these people accepted me as an atheist and did not tell me that I was "confused" or "rebellious" (at age 42?), or than I only "think you're not a Christian." They don't try to maneuver or manipulate me, and this is the first time in my life that ever happened.

What an ever-loving mistake it was for religious people in the 1970s to try and use science to convince me of God! And what a mistake it was for people to try to shove intelligent design down our throats today. I didn't care so much about what other people believed until the "creation science" Frankenstein monster was jolted again to life as ID. I have more respect for someone who admits that belief in God is outright faith than I do for someone who claims it's 'science.'

I am more apt to believe people when they don't lie to me, and I am more apt to accept people when they accept me. Makes sense, no?"

And here’s how a Christian friend of mine replied:

“I admit to mixed emotions regarding your post, Kristine. It infuriates me when I learn that people who call themselves believers see nothing wrong in lying for Jesus or treating honest doubt with scorn and dishonesty. At the same time, I feel a twinge of optimism that, in fact, I'm one of the believers you've come to see as not trying to 'maneuver or manipulate' you. This hope is tinged with disappointment that this experience had to wait for your fourth decade of life: what an indictment of the 'believers' you've come in contact with!
I reason it like this: if God exists, then this God, if able, is obligated to bridge the gap between perfection and imperfection---since I, an imperfect being, can never bridge that gap. Therefore it follows that God must be willing to meet me 'where I'm at.' How, then, could I not be willing to meet others 'where they're at' ? And, if God does not exist, then at least my privately-held beliefs do not prevent from having rewarding interaction with my fellows who most definitely do exist.
So, I guess the emotion I will end with is hope, and thankfulness that there are people who are, as Sagan says, candles in the dark of a demon-haunted world....Scott"

Dear Scott, who is a science teacher, teaching evolution, and on the front lines in the battle against ignorance and fear in our society.

I know a great many Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and atheists. I have seen that most religions have a creation story, a Flood story, a resurrection story, an apocalypse/New World story. That is the truth of religion, which is a human creation. If you are asking me to be “open-minded” about the lies at Ken Ham’s Creation Museum, then you are one of the “Christians” that makes the blood of Scott above boil, and your fight is really with him – and with the scientists who are Christians that I mentioned above.

At least you didn't deny that I'm an atheist, or tell me that I'm confused, but you didn't exactly show acceptance of me, did you? Do you know anything about my life and how important truth (and museums) are to me? You're reply is pretty standard for Christians -waving a finger and shaming. I credit people like Scott, not people like you, for helping me through my anger.

January 05, 2008 1:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rene, I am also a Christian.

Ken Ham is a charlatan.

The Creation Museum is a lie.

You are not being "open-minded," you are advocating the teaching of lies to children.

Got that?

January 05, 2008 2:06 PM  
Blogger Kristine said...

Rene, here's the kind of ugly, smug, ignoramous mentality you and your Creation Museum are turning out: Satan Created Evolution.

Proud of yourself?

January 05, 2008 6:11 PM  
Blogger Kristine said...

Please understand that you are one of those people that are afraid, mean, confused.

Oh, you did call me "confused." Sorry for not seeing that earlier. Getting old. Are you coming back any time soon, to comment on what I said at Pharyngula, or on the open-mindedness of the kid at You Tube? Since I'm so afraid?

Looks like another drive-by.

January 06, 2008 1:29 AM  
Blogger Rene' said...

All, If you had no vitriol in your heart for religion or Christianity in particular, you would have reported only that --in your opinion Mr. ham is wrong -- and not used such harsh terms that make you the intolerant crowd. You know the type, the ones who ridiculed Mr. Darwin for his theory. Apparently, Mr. Ham is in the same boat as Darwin, he has committed sacrilege against your god -- you. There is not and never will be any conclusive proof that would prove evolution it is nothing more than a theory, requiring faith. Conversely, I will never convince you that God is real and He sent His Son to die on the cross for our sins so that we may spend eternity with Him. God would never use categorical proof, for there would be no faith, God, for whatever reason, needs us to be faithful not convinced. I envy you --- in my opinion -- yours is the greater faith. To believe that life sprang from nothing -- without the help of the Creator, that requires more faith than I could ever possess. I know that your god, you, should be very pleased with yourselves.

January 13, 2008 6:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget the math "god," the geometry "god," the geology "god," the history "god," and the literature "god," then Rene! Call us heathens while you're at it!

Ken Ham is a man who is not a scientist but represents himself as one. He is a shill for the right wing and interested only in consolidating his power over young lives. His museum is a monstrosity, his "faith" a worship of himself. And I must say you are so full of pride that you could never see the great sin you commit by conflating Christiany with lies and ignorance.

Ignorance is something to be feared.

January 13, 2008 7:24 AM  
Blogger Kristine said...

Rene, Rene -

I don't believe that "life came from nothing." We don't know how abiogenesis works, but I do know chemistry, and inorganic chemistry isn't "nothing." Physics isn't "nothing." The Big Bang came from a singularity, not "nothing."

I don't believe there ever was, or ever will be, "nothing." I have no beliefs about what came before the Big Bang. Aside from the Planck Era, we don't know.

I am comfortable with being honest and saying "I don't know," and that I may never know. I don't need to have a net of certainty thrown over all of eternity, as you apparently do.

An adventurer doesn't want a map.

I don't need to pretend that the universe cares about my little existence. It's enough that I draw people's attention; it's enough that they want to be around me. Just like you apparently do.

Don't offer an adventurer your "peace." If I ever wanted "peace," I would have lived by the rules. Don't ask a belly dancer (as Greg did above) where my "joy" is! I perform for an audience, write, travel, have been in films - come on! Where is your joy? You traveled the world and you spent your time in church? Good for you. Church is boring to me, and nothing you say will change that.

Don't expect an artist to be a "good girl." Well-behaved women do not make history.

I don't visit Christian blogs to bug their owners about what they think. But they come to mine all the time, just like you, apparently attracted to my life, and get their feelings hurt because they find out that, surprise, I don't want to be like them.

Because they can’t admit they are really asking for help – just like you. You want your life to be more exciting, and you don't know how to do that.

Any time you want to break out of what seems to be a predictable, contrived existence, do so. The “peace” of religion is ultimately anonymity, and while it saves you from personal responsibility, it also denies you the very specialness you crave. But if you choose to stay in your religion, don’t take it out on me. I’m too busy going places and doing things. Don’t ask me to help you rebel (which is what you are really doing by coming here). You have to decide to rebel all by yourself.

January 14, 2008 9:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I guess Mother Theresa must have been a bad girl then because she made history - much more than you probably ever will.

Think about this: if there were no beginning of the universe as you claim, we would never have gotten to this point. it has to begin. Check out the Kalaam Cosmological Argument.

Also, look at irreducible complexity which might challenge your linear and uncreative thinking. Try opening your mind a bit.

By the way, you don't have to be bad to be brilliant. You don't have to live a vulgar life to live an adventure.

Also, church can be very exciting - it just depends on the church. Boring is just an excuse for not wanting any accountability towards something greater than yourself. The 80's were called the "me generation." That moniker still applies to today's American populaton. Selfishness doesn't give a person freedom, only regrets and guilt.

April 03, 2008 4:19 PM  
Blogger Kristine said...

Honey, I know all about the Kalaam Cosmological Argument. It's basically the same old argument from contingency. So what's the cause of God? If you say there isn't one, then I can say the same about the universe.

Also, look at irreducible complexity which might challenge your linear and uncreative thinking. Try opening your mind a bit.

So you are a freelance writer, dancer, and graduate student? I didn't think so.

Also, church can be very exciting - it just depends on the church.

Oh, you mean those happy clappy churches where people jump around to crappy music, roll around, and drool? No thanks.

Boring is just an excuse for not wanting any accountability towards something greater than yourself.

And I think you have described yourself very well, Boring. I didn't enter your church and tell you how to live, so don't come here and give an off-topic rant about how I live. Get lost.

April 04, 2008 12:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mother Teresa was not a champion of the poor. She did nothing for them!

She was most concerned that people achieved salvation through suffering. She made the poor sleep on hard beds on the floor, and denied them proper health care. She fed them scraps of almost inedible food, all to save their souls.

People in India cannot believe the ignorance of Westerners to speak with reverence about this charlatan!

Be proud that you are not like “Mother” Teresa.

June 25, 2008 12:00 PM  
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