Jerry Falwell Deconverted on Deathbed!
UPDATED: Am I a good witch or a bad witch? Well anyway, thanks for stopping by.
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While I was in the Galapagos the Rev. Jerry Falwell, as you know, walked into the funhouse mirror. (If you’re a Cocteau fan, you get this).
I was on the slower of the ship library's two incredibly slow computers when I saw the news. With my characteristic retraint and decorum, I turned to Richard Dawkins who was seated nearby and blared, "Jerry Falwell is dead!" As I've said before, I can be rather demonstrative - I get excited - and I meant to register surprise, not joy. Richard, however, glanced up from his laptop and gave me an incredulous look of gentlemanly astonishment, but merely asked, “What did he die of?”
Well, by now I was dying (if you’ll pardon me) to find out, but that wretched computer was so slow that I started shaking my head and laughing in frustration. I wanted to answer Richard’s question (let’s be honest, I wanted to be the one to answer before anyone else did), and here I was, still waiting for AOL News to load as if it were Godot. Richard, misinterpreting my reaction, leaned forward and teased, “And you’re not sorry? You’re not a very nice girl, are you?” That did it – I just cracked up, and I must have blushed right down to my fingertips.
“I am sorry,” I insisted. “I mean, I’m sorry that he was who he was, that he spent his life in this meaningless pursuit of nothing, and that there was no awakening or resolution – ”
“Precisely,” said Richard. “Well, I heard that he deconverted on his deathbed.” We both chuckled, and at this point, someone entered the library and announced the news. “Yes, Kristine just told me,” Richard continued to prod me, “with tears in her eyes!”
Well, let me say that I did shed some tears later – not for the man, Jerry Falwell, but for the person that he could have been. How dare he outlive the people that I care about who thought he was so wonderful. How dare he prey on gullible people who cannot see how dangerous this nutjob was and remains even in death. How dare he polarize this nation in such a disgraceful manner and push creationism in our schools and paranoia in our society. How dare he condemn to hell - and he did do so - anyone, including people of faith, who didn't believe his cartoonish superstitions. How dare he tell lies to children! Sean Hannity notwithstanding, someday this nation's grandchildren will ask their grandparents what anyone could have seen in this repulsive huckster.
Later that night, I was at Richard’s table [Edit: now I think this was wrong; I had dinner at Richard's table on Sunday night, and Falwell died on Tuesday. My memory is waterlogged, but at any rate, I was somewhere with a group including Richard] when someone asked how Jerry Falwell died. And if there was one moment in my life when I was ready with a clever answer, this was it.
“He had an attack where his heart should have been,” I replied.
I think that’s as good a diagnosis as any.
UPDATED: People forget Falwell’s legacy, the Moral Majority, who opposed women’s rights and equality, child abuse laws, and universal sufferage, and advocated the death penalty for homosexuality, and burned books and records. Want me to shed crocodile tears for Falwell? Sorry! Watch this video if you think that I should - it will show you of the birth of Christian fascism in America. I always knew Falwell would die; he is the one who didn’t think that he would, but he thought he would be snatched into heaven in the Rapture. I knew death would come for Jerry Falwell, since it comes to us all. May it come to Falwell’s dreams as well! May Falwell's movement die with him!
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While I was in the Galapagos the Rev. Jerry Falwell, as you know, walked into the funhouse mirror. (If you’re a Cocteau fan, you get this).
I was on the slower of the ship library's two incredibly slow computers when I saw the news. With my characteristic retraint and decorum, I turned to Richard Dawkins who was seated nearby and blared, "Jerry Falwell is dead!" As I've said before, I can be rather demonstrative - I get excited - and I meant to register surprise, not joy. Richard, however, glanced up from his laptop and gave me an incredulous look of gentlemanly astonishment, but merely asked, “What did he die of?”
Well, by now I was dying (if you’ll pardon me) to find out, but that wretched computer was so slow that I started shaking my head and laughing in frustration. I wanted to answer Richard’s question (let’s be honest, I wanted to be the one to answer before anyone else did), and here I was, still waiting for AOL News to load as if it were Godot. Richard, misinterpreting my reaction, leaned forward and teased, “And you’re not sorry? You’re not a very nice girl, are you?” That did it – I just cracked up, and I must have blushed right down to my fingertips.
“I am sorry,” I insisted. “I mean, I’m sorry that he was who he was, that he spent his life in this meaningless pursuit of nothing, and that there was no awakening or resolution – ”
“Precisely,” said Richard. “Well, I heard that he deconverted on his deathbed.” We both chuckled, and at this point, someone entered the library and announced the news. “Yes, Kristine just told me,” Richard continued to prod me, “with tears in her eyes!”
Well, let me say that I did shed some tears later – not for the man, Jerry Falwell, but for the person that he could have been. How dare he outlive the people that I care about who thought he was so wonderful. How dare he prey on gullible people who cannot see how dangerous this nutjob was and remains even in death. How dare he polarize this nation in such a disgraceful manner and push creationism in our schools and paranoia in our society. How dare he condemn to hell - and he did do so - anyone, including people of faith, who didn't believe his cartoonish superstitions. How dare he tell lies to children! Sean Hannity notwithstanding, someday this nation's grandchildren will ask their grandparents what anyone could have seen in this repulsive huckster.
Later that night, I was at Richard’s table [Edit: now I think this was wrong; I had dinner at Richard's table on Sunday night, and Falwell died on Tuesday. My memory is waterlogged, but at any rate, I was somewhere with a group including Richard] when someone asked how Jerry Falwell died. And if there was one moment in my life when I was ready with a clever answer, this was it.
“He had an attack where his heart should have been,” I replied.
I think that’s as good a diagnosis as any.
UPDATED: People forget Falwell’s legacy, the Moral Majority, who opposed women’s rights and equality, child abuse laws, and universal sufferage, and advocated the death penalty for homosexuality, and burned books and records. Want me to shed crocodile tears for Falwell? Sorry! Watch this video if you think that I should - it will show you of the birth of Christian fascism in America. I always knew Falwell would die; he is the one who didn’t think that he would, but he thought he would be snatched into heaven in the Rapture. I knew death would come for Jerry Falwell, since it comes to us all. May it come to Falwell’s dreams as well! May Falwell's movement die with him!
posted by Kristine | Monday, May 21, 2007
95 Comments:
Don't forget segregation! I know it's easy to do, because honestly what kind of maniac thought segregation was a good thing? Well, the answer to that question is Jerry Falwell.
Heh... nice story!
Oh yeah, Joshua, I remember that Falwell wanted to ban the book To Sir With Love because the main character was black. Now, the evangelical movement has seen on what side its bread is buttered.
Thanks, John!
I heard that Dorothy threw water on Falwell.
"What kind of maniac thought segregation was a good thing?"
Several million southern whites for several hundred years-they weren't maniacs, but they were wrong.
Scotius
That's great Kristine. You got to tell the Evil bastard Dawkins about Falwell's untimely demise. I wish I could have seen it.
That is incredibly awesome, and will make for a good story for years to come. I'm so jealous!
Evil Bastard Dawkins? Lol! Funny how the reverend and his kind believe that someone like Dawkins who tries to show us how to escape superstition and treat each other with respect is "Evil" and believe that a man who spewed hate his whole life, who didn't believe that we are all created equal, like Falwell was someone to laud and miss. Yep! Kinda says it all.
Unless you were being facetious...which I expect you were...:)
Okay... I was pretty jealous when I heard you were going to the Galapagos. Hurt a bit that I'd decided just a few months prior I should pass on an opportunity for a similar trip myself... My daughter's school had been floating it as a potential thing to do in a few years' time, was looking for folk to write some cheques against the day. Mulled and decided that as much as there's not much on Earth I'd rather do, that the more than $20K that I'd have to lay out (four of us would have been going; anything less would have been profoundly unjust--it would be easier to decide who gets to go among my family as it would be to decide who gets to stay in the lifeboat after a shipwreck in the North Atlantic in the winter) was just a bit too much indulgence/expense, really... Kids are a bit young, it'll probably mean a little more later.
But I was starting, hearing of your trip, to think mebbe I'd made a bad call... And what's this, now, I hear? Slumming with Dr. D. in the ship's library, is it? Man...
Now I'm a little past jealous. As in: deep green. Forest green. A pallor that doth verily approach black via green.
This can't be healthy. $20K+, whatever, where's the chequebook... I can call it a medical necessity, now.
And the best thing? He's still dead!
Way to go Kristine - Maybe you can go for the Triple Crown now, and be the one to tell Dawkins that Pat Robertson and James Dobson have also croaked!
To be fair, I think Richard already knew about Falwell's death - he was on his laptop after all - but just not the details.
Geez, J-Dog, you're not a very nice boy, are you? ;-)
Uh, may I ask where Mrs. Dawkins was during this cruise you on?
Uh, may I ask where Mrs. Dawkins was during this cruise you on?
Well, you can ask, but I'm sure I don't know - I suppose she was in England - Toni said there was an illness, and that's all I know, but she assured me that it was not serious. I was really looking forward to meeting her, too. I think Josh Timonen came instead. And Paul Kurtz could not make it, unfortunately.
Hehe, that "deconversion" thing was great. We need to start a rumor.
Unfortunately Kristine Falwell's movement will not die with him. There are already people like Dobson and Robertson to try and push Christian theocracy on us. I am sure some other lying scumbag will step forward to run Falwell's 'church' and 'university'.
Still it's nice to see him gone. Now if only that death comes in threes part is true......
Dont you dare feel bad about being happy Falwells dead!
Our entire floor of researchers had a party that day! HIV researchers-- not so fond of Falwell and his crew.
strappado - that's no rumor[wink, wink], I heard he came out of the closet to a close friend on a number of issues just before he died.
I popped over from Pharyngula's link. What a fabulous story! And how cool to see the Galapagos with Dawkins. Must read back to find out how you managed that. Great blog--subscribed!
HIV researchers-- not so fond of Falwell and his crew.
Good point. And Sean Hannity had the nerve to bring up "Jerry's work on AIDS."
I'm sorry, Jerry Falwell has blood on his hands.
Very good Kristine!
And let's not forget Fawell's support for Botha and telling the black South Africans what is "good" for them.
(His comment regarding Bishop Tutu pretty much shows how loathsome an asshole Failwell was)
From Slate: "Rest in peace, you blowhard!"
Falwell's hypocracy was highlighted by the $3,500,000 bailout money for Liberty Univ. Falwell accepted from Korean cult leader Sun Myung Moon who claimed Jesus was a failed Messiah and Moon the true Messiah. I suspect Jerry's glad the Atheists are right about no afterlife.
BAD WITCH. BAD, BAD WITCH!
I suspect Jerry's glad the Atheists are right about no afterlife.
I suspect Jerry isn't glad, because he isn't anything. ;-)
Rich Hughes! Burn me if you can! Water doesn't harm me, I went snorkeling! Earth doesn't harm me, no matter how much sand went up my bikini! So try to burn me! How do you know I won't turn into a river of lava like Pele? Bwahahahaha!
I would consider you a bad witch, in the same way that Elphaba was far more interesting than that airhead Galinda.
I had found Falwell's book Listen, America! at a garage sale about 10 years ago and have only been able to pick it up for minutes at a time and read a few short passages before setting it down. My main difficulty is trying to control my emotions which swing wildly from maniacal laughter to utter disdain.
I am going to give it another shot, but don't hold out much hope.
I am not said to see Falwell gone. I envy you if for nothing else than sharing a laugh with Richard Dawkins.
You should have been there when Richard played Christopher Hitchens' appearance on CNN for the entire ship! I was just stunned that these things were finally being voiced on mainstream television. Of course they're hardly radical - it's just that with the religious right going bezonkers in this country our definition of "normal" has changed so much.
Yeah, AJ, it's too bad that it costs so much (although too, that keeps the level of tourists down - they're at the limit as it is). I barely scraped up enough credit to do it. Now I have to bite the bullet, big time.
Anyone got a second job out there for a witch with database management skills?
I may drop a house from Kansas on you via Tornado.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/05/he_had_an_attack_where_his_hea.php#comment-440888
Falwell took money from Moon? Got a reference for that?
Comrade Hitchens book is a gas.
Especially where he talks about his admiration for the mass murderer Trotsky and the "ethical glories" of Marxism. (p151-153)
I hope he was at least drunk when he wrote that.
Falwell took money from Moon? Got a reference for that?
Yes, I'm curious about that, too. How about it, Anonymous? (It looks like I have a few Anons here.)
I hope he was at least drunk when he wrote that.
Hey! No fair making me laugh! ;-)
The scuttlebutt from people who know him is that Hitch drinks A LOT. But the Trotsky thing surprises me, I must say. I have not read Hitchens' book yet - it's on backorder at Barnes & Noble. I'm number 42 for Pete's sake. I'll get to it.
For some reason I can't get After the Bar Closes to load, or I would supply the link, but there's a discussion going on about Hitchens over there, and I submitted a comment that I'm rather proud of. I take quite a nuanced view of Hitchie.
Falwell took money from Moon? Got a reference for that?
Consortium News broke the story in 1997, and they have a detailed history of the relationship of Moon with the American Religious Right in response to Falwell's death.
[link]
There's a lovely picture of Falwell and Moon here: [link]
Bleah! Thanks, I'm going to have nightmares now.
How in the hell can any "Christian" tolerate some dude who thinks he's Jesus Christ? I don't get it.
Well Kris, what a lovely summary...I envy you sitting next to and talking to Dawkins....... I am from the DEEP SOUTH of the U.S. and I feel good to read things like this...
DCB Tasmania
... the Trotsky thing surprises me, I must say.
It's hardly what you'd call unqualified praise for Marxism, for the record.
He does say some rather nice things about Trotsky, uses said figure's warning to the Norwegian foreign minister about the Nazis as evidence of a prescience following from a 'sound materialist critique', speaks even of a Marxist 'heroic period (now in the past, and no guide to the future), but concludes, finally, of Marxism, that:
"...the very concept of a total solution had lead to the most appalling human sacrifices, and to the invention of excuses for them. Those of us who had sought a rational alternative to religion had reached a terminus that was comparably dogmatic. What else was to be expected of something that was produced by the close cousins of chimpanzees? Infallibility? Thus, dear reader, if you have come this far and found your own faith undermined--as I hope--I am willing to say that to some extent I know what you are going through. There are days when I miss my old convictions as if they were an amputated limb. But in general I feel better, and no less radical, and you will feel better too, I guarantee, once you leave hold of the doctrinaire and allow your chainless mind to do its own thinking."
... apologies if this counts as a spoiler, Kristine. But I figured anyone reading of "comrade Hitchens"' comments on the subject should have a little more context than was given above.
I'd also add (and this is obvious to the point of going without saying to me, at least, but I'll say it anyway) that the general sentiment in which he concludes is an essential thing--a key difference between the dogmatic and the freethinker, between those who can imagine (or who claim they can imagine) that they can speak for an absolute authority (and can thus become, effectively, as unquestionable an authority themselves as is their imagined deity), and those who see such an idea as a particularly deadly folly:
Both will make mistakes. The essential advantages the freethinkers have is that they can admit to more of them, more easily, and that they have greater freedom to correct them.
Hey, Blair, now that I'm fully awake it occurs to me, are you thinking of Stalin? (I almost typed, "Satan.") Otherwise, whom did Trotsky kill? I remember that he got killed, in Mexico, after hanging out with Frieda Kahlo and Diego Rivera, and getting into fights with Andre Breton (made a nuisance of himself because Breton collected Mexican votive objects and was somewhat of a Savonarola about any christio-pagan artefacts).
I mean, I don't really think Hitchens is any apologist for the Soviet Union. Come on!
Comrade Hitchens! Perhaps in terms of vodka! ;-)
at the anarchist bookstore i volunteer at (www.ironrail.org), i went to yahoo to check e-mail and saw that Falwell was dead, and let out a cheer and a laugh. everyone stared at me and was like "what?" and i told them and everyone smiled and woohooed. i was a little embarrassed, but having been into Dawkins and the Atheists resurgence as of late, i couldn't help it. it was so nice that everyone in the bookstore was right there with me when i told them though.
finally, the Rev. brought some joy into my life!
and a deathbed deconversion, unbelieveable! that is worth spreading. who would've thought?
Re: the deconversion.
I heard that too. I heard the voice of God, and he told be that Falwell deconverted. What more proof do you need?
Look at this point I'm going to reiterate that neither I nor Dawkins cheered at Falwell's death. Certainly Richard was much better behaved than I. I wasn't happy, but I certainly wasn't sad, and I'm not.
Falwell was a terrible person and he remains one. I am just flabbergasted at the sight of these cute young kids going to his funeral. What can they possibly see in this charlatan?
I'll ask that question for the rest of my life.
I found myself wishing for a near-death experience for him, actually. Whatever you think of that phenomenon (and I think it's an experience of the brain, not the soul in transit), it seems to have a curious effect upon former fundies who emerge quite different people afterward.
I read it on this blog, so it must be true!
It's a shame it took Falwell so long to see the folly of his ways...
Kisses!
sorry, this is only the SECOND best blog post about Falwell...the first being:
http://www.tmz.com/2007/05/15/jerry-falwell-1933-2007/
but your heart line is pretty damn good :D
Hey, that's great!
I can't find it again, but I saw a cartoon in which the Teletubbies are talking: "Should we send flowers to the funeral, or would he think that's gay?"
--With my characteristic retraint and decorum, I turned to Richard Dawkins who was seated nearby and blared, "Jerry Falwell is dead!"--
That's exactly what my friends and I did! Except that I did shout in joy... and then in despair, as stupidity is like a Hydra.
One of the first things I thought about was that someone should write a story about just that - just as the Xtian revisionists have attempted to for many prominent rational thinkers who have passed on.
stupidity is like a Hydra
Or like a worm. And you can fish with it.
One of the first things I thought about was that someone should write a story about just that
I'm waiting to see how many unacknowledged children come crawling from the woodwork first. Then, the fact that he didn't repent may better serve us. ;-)
This cheered me more than anything else I've read all day. Good for you, what a combination - getting to be somewhere in the Galapagos, and hanging out with Richard Dawkins, of all people, when a godbothering monster like Falwell dies.
Kristine
Do me a favor and mention the One Blog A Day thread on Meyers over at AtBC. It is now over 800 messages with not one from Meyers himself.
I love it so!
John A. Davison, I will do no such thing. People know all about that thread in which you talk to yourself. Your comment is off-topic here. If you want someone to talk to, attract them with your social skills. People are tired of the easy target that you make of yourself, and that's a testament to how sorry they feel for you.
And it's spelled PZ Myers.
Kristine
You are a cheap little mindless uninformed, uneducated nothing who hangs out with others of your own ilk over at After The Bar Closes, Elsberry's Alamo and the last bastion of Darwinian mysticism except for Pharyngula, where another, Pharyngula Z. (constantly ejaculating) Myers, like yourself a congenital worshipper of the biggest charlatan in the history of science, continues to perpetuate the biggest hoax in the history of science.
It doesn't get any better than this. Whatever you do don't stop because -
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
John A. Davison.
You are a frightened, verbally abusive, lonely man with a brilliant mind that you are not using right now, and I refuse to be angry with you. You are no gentleman but I forgive you.
Whatever you are going through, and however you behave, just keep in mind that whenever you really need to talk, or if you are in trouble, I am here.
You are getting old, and this fight that you are waging is not worth your life, your precious life, nor your time, nor your energy. Someday you are going to need a real human being to talk to, so remember that I am here.
I refuse to engage in these fights any longer. I have nothing, really, against you. If you find me "cheap," take it up with your dead god or leave me alone until you can cut the crap.
Have a nice day.
You are a disgrace and a pathetic example of a total ignorance of the evolutionary literature. How anyone could possibly see a single redeeming feature in Dawkins' mystical drivel is completely beyond me. It is Kristine that needs help not I.
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
Help to do what, John?
To read your ideas and give them the consideration that they are worth, as I have?
To bear your inexcusable abusiveness and insults with patience, even understanding and genuine concern, as I have? (Who taught you to speak to a woman like this?)
To teach me to be a lady by my being treated like an utter subhuman, as you have done to me? (You are not the first; in fact, you are not the worst, although you have surpassed even DaveScot in bullying behavior. Proud of yourself?)
We all need help, dear. If you are insulted by my offer, then just remember that it came with the best of intentions. As I've repeatedly stated, I will not fight with you anymore.
Where is your family? What do they think about how you are acting? My goodness, if you are right about evolution then what does it matter what a "cheap little nothing" like me thinks? You're a pretty sore winner, aren't you?
Well, the next time you make a drive-by at my blog, launch some more of your inimitable, stream of consciousness, metaphoric strings of insults to make us all laugh at AtBC. We love them, and no one does it quite like you.
Take care now.
You are no lady, only a "prescribed," "born that way." dyed-in-the-wool," illiterate Darwimpian mystic like your hero Richard Dawkins, the biggest charlatan in the history of science.
Be sure to transit this also over to Elsberry's last stand, with Pharyngula the last survivimg bastions of the greatest hoax in the history of science.
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
I am much more a lady than you are a gentleman, or else you wouldn't keep coming here. (And I thought you once said, "You could bleed to death and I still wouldn't show up at your blog, Kristine?") Naturally, now that you're desperate for someone to pay some attention to you, you come running right back to Kristine.
That's a good little boy.
You will get no satisfaction from me regarding posting your silly announcement at AtBC or anywhere else. At any rate, your thread over at AtBC has been closed, so I can't. What a pity.
Bye now.
http://www.iscid.org/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000370&p=44#000647
I recommend the above, especially my comment of June 13, 2007, 3:29 as it deals with the desperation to which the Darwinian camp is forced to resort when confronted with a critic of the greatest hoax ever perpetrated in the history of science.
P.Z. Myers and Wesley Elsberry are cut from the same homozygous, atheist Darwinian bolt.
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
Of course my thread is closed. I suppose you approve of closing those threads critical of ones perspective. Well G ood F or Y ou.
To tell you the honest truth, Honeypot, I’m torn. I loved how Wes managed to slam the door after I got in my last snark at your sidekick, but yes, your little VMartin did have a point – the topic had run its course like a reeaally long cold. But where, oh where, has my little doggone JAD fix gone?
I wish I could inject your sarcasm right into my veins, you soundrel, you!
Hee hee hee. Now Sal thinks he’s Han Solo, a real ladies man. (And what would I know about that, right?) What do you think of your little former friendlets over there?
And what did you think of my kidnapping fantasy, by the way? “The next Ann Miller of Darwinian shimmies”? I do a good impression of you, do I not?
Bye bye, Honeypot. Visit again real soon.
P.Z. Myers and Wesley Elsberry are cut from the same homozygous, atheist Darwinian bolt.
And what bolt are you cut from, dear?
Gingham?
DAJ!
How did I miss your resurrection?
I thought for sure you were as dead as your god fellow by now!
And I'm still so disappointed you haven't mentioned me in so long. Have you forgotten our little tryst?
I'm hurt. HURT, I tell you.
And to think you've been skulking around here with one of my friends behind my back.
Your character flaws are showing.
No Kisses for you, Bubba.
JAD, you got your wish, anyway! Alan already posted your linky.
Here
And here.
Happy? You should be nice to Alan. You called him some pretty awful names when all he did was give you a forum from which he promises to never ban you.
In fact, you should thank Alan. That would be a non-prescribed, evolved and godlike thing for you to do. Be an example for the rest of us.
Kum-ba-yah.
Nighty-night now.
You will always be feminist trash in my book just like the rest of the triumvirate.
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
JAD, the rest of the "Triumvirate" is you. Because you created it!
Sorry to tell you. (I guess you forgot.)
Feminist trash, eh? Well, I love you, too. And I really, really hope that you become Governor of Vermont someday.
I think I'll just bring up your picture and kiss it. Mmmmmwah!
Goodnight, sweet prince.
Remember what I said about that talk, okay?
And take your meds.
G ood F or Y ou!
Take your meds!
Oh, hey, and thanks for wishing me well with exams by the way.
I got two As. (Actually, this would be the time for a "Good for you.")
I dedicate my grades to JAD. ;-)
Now, remember what I said.
Alan Fox is to Wesley Elsberry, what wOOt is to Pharyngula Z. Myers, what Pharybgula Z. Myers is to Trickie Dickie Dawkins, and what David Springer is to William Dembski. They are all nothing but unprincipled, ruthless, ignorant, sycophantic, sociopathic, insincere toadies, not a scholar in the lot.
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
Oh, why do you "love it so," JAD? You know what, I don't believe you.
Patton was abusive and so are you. You don't see it but I don't think you're happy at all.
I think all of these people you just named are very concerned about you, despite everything. And so am I.
Think whatever you want about evolution, but your ongoing disparaging language toward other human beings is just inexcusable. I think on some level you know that.
Why do you think you have to act that way? Are you protecting yourself from being hurt?
You're not used to someone giving back compassion in response to your nastiness, are you? That's too bad.
I repeat my offer to talk, should you ever decide to take me up on it.
It is not I who needs a psychiatrist my dear. Besides I have been there, done that. I was forced to do so by the Dean of the College of Arts and Sciences at good old UVM. When I survived the first exam she ordered a second opinion which I also managed to pass with flying colors.
Besides -
"Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined."
Sam Goldwyn
Get some help yourself. You need it a lot more than I do!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
P.S. Why don't you abuse me anymore at AtBC? Is it because Der Fuhrer doesn't like to have my name mentioned? I'll bet you are afraid to mention my name there. After all Elsberry ordered silence with - "Case closed."
I love it so!
Abuse you? Uh... Er-hmm. Coming from you that's practically a proposal of marriage!
Well, I could go to a psychiatrist, I suppose - but then I'd need to get my head examined!
Back to the subject of colors and bolts of cloth - I am made of satin. Put that in your shimmy and shake it!
You know I adore the folks at AtBC but it's a nice sunny day outside and - oh yes, I tremble to mention your name in the presence of the scary Elsberry.
Be berry, berry qwiet - I'm hunting JADbit. Huhuhuhuhuh!
(Psychiatrists of the world, make sure to get this down. Yes, let's put all the poets into straightjackets - the tribute that mediocrity pays to genius!)
That's all, folks!
I'll look for you to mention me there and if you don't show I will have to regard you as a coward as well as intellectually vacant, feminist garbage.
I love you so!
HE SAID IT! HE SAID IT! HE SAID IT!
;-)
HE LOVES ME!
"How do I loathe thee? Let me count the ways."
after Elizabeth Barrett Browning
Awwww, damn! Less than 6 hours later, it's over?
Well, at least you stuck it out. ;-)
(And did you know that the Robert Browning and Elizabeth Barrett Browning Library is at Baylor, in Waco, Texas, home to our new porn star, William Dembski? What do you think about the trouble his little cute baptist butt got into today? Best little snorehouse in Texas.)
I'll make a deal with you, JAD. Launch into one of your colorful, metaphoric, insulting strings of adjectives and it's a deal.
I have to have something to tell the folks at AtBC, after all.
And do it for me. I miss them. 'Kay?
Just tell them the truth, that after nearly 900 messages that "howling fulminating fury, Pharyngula Z. (constantly ejaculating) Myers has yet to speak at One Blog A Day on the thread he so arrogantly introduced. Tell them also that your hero, Trickie Dickie Dawkins, has failed to come to Myers' rescue. Tell them that Myers and Dawkins are both revealed cowards.
Tell them the truth. If you do you you will gain a little respect from me. If you don't you will remain just a pathetic little nothing in the eyes of any serious student of the great mystery of organic evolution.
"If you tell the truth, you can be certain, sooner of later, to be found out."
Oscar Wilde
"Trickie Dickie"? C'mon, you can do better than that.
And in case you're slow and need it spelled out for you, you cannot bribe me to do as you wish by dangling your dubious "reward" before my hungry eyes. It is I, as you obviously have not noticed, who has been maneuvering you so expertly.
Try again.
You are worthless and beyond help. I recommend you go right on being conned by the biggest phony in the history of science. It is because of you and the thousands of others just like you that Dawkins is still extant. I predict that Dawkins will do himself in for exactly the same reason that Kammerer did eighty odd years ago. Egomaniacal, self-generated ideologues prove fragile once exposed as the charlatans they invariably prove to be. Watch the the obituaries!
"Everything is determined... by forces over which we have no control."
"Our actions should be based on the ever-present awareness that human beings in their thinking, feeling, and acting are not free but are just as causally bound as the stars in their motion."
Albert Einstein
In other words in complete accord with the Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis. We are all victims in a completely determined universe. You are nothing but one more pathetic example of the thousands of very unlucky ones.
"There are more horses asses than horses."
anonymous
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
P.S. Of you are so confident of your appraisal of me and my science you will be delighted to reprint this post at After The Bar Closes. I will look for it there. If it appears. I will resume communication with you. Otherwise we are through. Got that? Write that down!
Patton was abusive and so are you. You don't see it but I don't think you're happy at all.
Giordano Bruno dealing with ignorant Oxford pundits at his time (ptolemaists - nowadays neodarwist you know) used following "polite" words :
...there rules in that happy realm a constellation of pedantic, most obstinate ignorance and presumption, mixed with a boorish impoliteness that would vitiate the patience of job, and if you do not believe this, go to Oxford and let them tell you the things that happened to the Nolan.
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Let them tell you with what rudeness and discourtesy that pig [doctor] did proceed and with what patience and humanness did that other who in fact showed himself to be a native of Naples and as one raised under a more benign sky?...
VMartin
I will look for it there. If it appears. I will resume communication with you. Otherwise we are through. Got that? Write that down!
Do I take it, then, that you are banning yourself from my blog? Oh, boo hoo. At this point since you accept neither rationality nor compassion I really don't care what you do, especially since you are so fond of acting like DaveScot, whom you hate but bait so inexcusably. As I stated before, you have become your enemy. You just want to fight.
So fight with someone who wants to fight with you and leave me alone.
And VMartin, vamoose! As usual your comment is incoherent. And you are doing John no favors by enabling his behavior. As I've repeatedly said I really have nothing against either of you.
I am sick of this endless recrimination about nothing. Goodbye, good luck, take care of yourselves, be safe, be well (as much as you can be). All the best to you, you cranks.
I greatly enjoy exposing anyone who is so out of touch with reality as to regard Richard Dawkins with respect. If you don't like my abuse of you and others just like you, I recommend you make it impossible for me to communicate with you. That is what Springer, Dembski, Elsberry, Moran, Dawkins, Myers and others all have done. That is what insecure, intellectual blowhards all must do to maintain their mindless flocks of adoring toadies.
You are a joke!
I love it so!
Kisses!
From a real woman this time.
Probably the closest you're going to get. Bye now.
Kisses!
From a real woman this time.
Uff, I don't know what John's opinion is but I would run away from your kisses as fast as can.
Sh! SHHHHHHHHHH! Dolt!
Let him think it's his original idea to run away from me!
Now you've ruined it, blowhard. Nice goin'. Thanks. (Genius, if you want to get away from me, then don't visit me blog, eh, me hearty? Simple, no? I mean, the question?)
And I kiss with my feet, so you'd be trapped anyway. *Shimmy!*
And there's no point in being anonymous, being that I have been more than generous to the both of you, little IP address from Slovakia!
Have the courage to sign you name to your opinions, at least. I do.
I love it so!
John A. Davison, I will do no such thing. People know all about that thread in which you talk to yourself. Your comment is off-topic here. If you want someone to talk to, attract them with your social skills. People are tired of the easy target that you make of yourself, and that's a testament to how sorry they feel for you.
It is impossible to mention the One blog a day at Pharyngula.
Any text containing the link will be intercepted by Myeres censoring device. It is only him who can publish the link and give to "knowledgeable evolutionists" at Pharyngula cue to pollute the discussion with their darwinian nonsensses.
Doctor of darwinism Myeres first banned John and than me. He also banned Nietzche, Nabokov and Giordano Bruno. Yet in one of his article which he "ejaculate" like an automata every two hours unless he sleeps he awarded a prize to Christine - ballerine and neodarwinist at one.
His cronies there are very afraid of him - he warned them not to discuss Davison's claims at Pharyngula. Christine is probably afraid very - she not only could be banned there but alas, "ejaculating" doctor of darwinism could withdraw the price from her!
It is not worth to mention orthogenetic criticism of darwinism at Pharyngula.
Otherwise you could come to a bad end like we and Bruno, Nietzsche, and Nabokov as well.
VMartin
Otherwise you could come to a bad end
Whoa! You don't have the right to make threats against me of any kind at my blog. Since Bruno, Nietzsche, and Nabokov obviously never posted at Pharyngula I can only take that to mean some other "end" for me. You know what? You can go to hell.
First off - learn to spell my name. It's Kristine, with a K. You appear to be able to read.
Second off, I fear no one and certainly not PZ Myers or Richard Dawkins. I have no problem disagreeing with them on points. I’ve met both of them. They have minds that can handle dissent, unlike some people’s that I could mention. (You know, I don’t even recall ever making fun of JAD’s PEH. He never even gave me a chance to render my opinion before launching into all the insults.)
And I’m not your fucking secretary! If you are banned from various websites, it’s your own fault for being unsocialized, undisciplined, selfish blatherers. You two are fine ones for poking fun at me for being a woman while being unable to make up your own silly minds about whether you are pleased to be banned or not. (And I’m not a ballerina.)
Why are you even here? Because you’re a couple of hobos begging change from anyone who feels sorry for you, and I’m the last blogger in the world who tolerates you. Well, I no longer do.
I’ve already said goodbye nicely, but you two are bound and determined to teach people to treat you like the itinerant cowards you are. Fine. You’re both banned. Happy now?
And if you go around blathering about “Kristine banned us” I’ll point people to that “come to bad ends” statement. For shame. I didn't ban you until YOU decided to get really mean. Congratulations on your DaveScot award. NOW GET LOST!
Thanks for descending into the class A slut that you really are. You even had to dredge up the F word!! You are the bottom of the barrel and continue to demonstrate it with every message. I recommend you ban me because otherwise you wll not muzzle me here or elsewhere. Join the intellectual trash at Dawkins Fan Club, Pharyngula, EvC, The Austringer, Panda's Thumb, After The Bar Closes, Sandwalk, Uncommon
Descent and all the other venues where I am denied comment. Each of these is nothing but the personal empire of a deranged, illiterate sociopathic bigot. You fit the mold to a tee. Real scientists do not require fan clubs. They are too busy trying to enlighten the world with real science.
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. DAvison
Way to go out in style, Mr. Sensitive.
If you go around the internet calling me a "slut" it will be resolved between our respective lawyers. That's defamation, and I will have a case, and I will win, if you do it again. Got that? Write it down!
Oh, and JAD - fuck you.
Bye bye. :-)
JUST TO BE CLEAR - even though the comment moderation is now off, Tweedledum (VMartin) and TweedlePEH (JAD) are banned forevah!
Oh, and I never called myself a scientist JAD. So it seems, with your stock, form-letter retort, that you've mastered the cut-and-paste method after all.
Bye.
Dear Kristine,
I have written the sentence:
Otherwise you could come to a bad end like we and Bruno, Nietzsche, and Nabokov as well.
do you see there "WE"? I have meant John and me.
It is hardly imaginable that I threatened you with something ominous with a such sentence. It was not my intention btw. Of course if you consider to be banned at Pharyngula as something ominous I am sorry. But again I cannot ban you there and consequently you overestimate my possibilities. It seems to me you are a little bit hysterical, but I underestand you. You are a dancer, an artist.
VMartin
Since that was such a nice thing to say (to a degree) I'll let it through. Thank you for saying so.
You apparently cannot tell that I am more than a little facetious, maybe playing up the “tempestuous artist” jazz because men always assume that women are hysterical anyway, right? I don't make my living dancing, for heaven's sake. Logic brings home the bacon.
Of course I don't think you or JAD are going to hurt me (what are you going to do, attach a stinky sausage to a balloon during a strong westerly?) but I chose that moment to make a point with you. You're a fine one to talk about hysteria. Read my measured response to the beginning of all this.
It could have stopped there. It didn’t have to escalate, but if comments do, I can hold my own. I have a pretty good sense of humor about things. However your comment was still creepy, mentioning Nietscheze (I am sick of hearing about him!) and I will not tolerate insinuations made about my sexual behavior. I am perfectly serious about that.
So, ONCE AGAIN – goodbye, good luck, no hard feelings (assuming JAD is good) and please just go away now.
Wow, I am so jealous you hung out with Richard Dawkins like that. I bet he's really cool in person. On the other hand, being shy and not very quick on my feet, I'm sure I'd completely waste any opportunity for fun stories like this, so it's just as well.
Richard is really quite shy, and I am very quiet in person (if you can believe it).
I think we both have in common being very cerebral and lacking the ability to do the "small-talk" thing, preferring to talk about politics and evolution and such, so he'd probably be very comfortable with you, too.
Blogs should not be full of bickering without reasons and proof. Why do you not bother to wreck the JADs?
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
Germs do this all the time; he should know.
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I agree with the way you were thinking maybe we should give up all
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